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    I am a very new member of UM, and enthusiastically excited about the breath of fresh air UM brings to the vacuum of science honesty.

    I have had some unresolved questions in my mind for decades. In the mid 1970’s when I was in High School, my family was introduced to a presentation given by Donald W. Patten based on his 1966 book, “The Biblical Flood and the Ice Epoch”. His major presentation was given at the 1970 New England God, Family and Country Rally, entitled “Cataclysm from Space, 2800 BC”. Since that time, I have embraced most of these theories, even though they have been contrary to modern science. The UM is in large part in agreement with the theories presented so long ago by Mr. Patten except for one: that because of the fluid nature of the earth, it is highly possible that the mountain ranges, as we know them today didn’t exist prior to the Biblical flood. Only a few thousand feet or less of water was necessary to baptize the earth and completely cover the land on the single continent that existed at that time, years before the “days of Peleg” when the land was divided.

    I am anxious to learn how the UM can answer this question and accommodate this challenge.

    Just within this past year, G. Edward Griffin’s organization has made the original presentation available on YouTube here:

    Since the foundation of UM is to encourage an open mind, I would love to hear the thoughts of the Forum members.

    Courtney SnellCourtney Snell

    David, you have posed great Fundamental Questions that you will find answers to in the Universal Model. However, answers to your questions on the Universal Flood water height and pre-universal flood mountain height will be provided more specifically in the next Volume of the UM which will be published next year. The key to the water height is in the fossilization process and the amount of pressure necessary to achieve it. The key to knowing whether the Earth’s tallest mountains existed before the Universal Flood lies in the discussion of microbes which is also in the second Volume of the UM. Stay tuned and know that all of the different disciplines of science are interconnected.

    Lareme FesslerLareme Fessler

    Hey David,

    My name is Lareme. I am glad to hear of others that are enthusiastically excited about the UM. I was introduced to it a few years ago and that same excitement remains. There is so much to learn. I had a chance to watch most of the video you posted in between breaks at work. There were many things that came to mind but I will only point out three or four for now. I love the first 2:30 and 5:00 minutes of it as it hits the nail right on the head and points out the agenda of modern science. I agree with the timing of events (not millions of years but only thousands) and that certain events that have shaped the world in which we live were catastrophic in nature. The other point that I will make refers to the crystal formation process. At about 32 minutes ish into it we are taught that if Mercury came within 20,000 miles of the Earth that it would create tides of about 5,000 feet. I believe he is referring to ocean tides. A water depth of 5,000 feet just isn’t enough to create the right environment to create rocks. Crystals are rocks. Fossils are mostly quartz based rocks. A “hypretherm” is needed to make rocks. Hy- refering to water. Pre- referring to pressure. Therm- referring to thermal. Rocks need a water environment with heat and pressure. This is a called a hypretherm or hyprethermal environment. The video speaks of water but neglects the heat and pressure needed. (I didn’t finish the video all the way to the end if it does speak of this I appologize) To make quartz, which is the most abundant mineral on the surface of the earth, pressure of about 14,000 psi is needed. To create this much pressure in water a depth of about 30,000 feet is required. That’s 25,000 feet deeper than described. It just so happens that the elevation of the peak of Mount Everest is 29,029 feet. The depth of the universal flood is enough to cover the tallest mountain and to create the right pressure to make quartz. Many fossils are quartz based rocks. There is only one catastrophic event the earth has ever experience where the right environment existed to create a mass extinction and create fossils. The Universal Flood.

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